Posted by fossilman on Sep 20 2007 6:13PM - ROTFLMAO-people believe anything! They must read the Examiner and Enquire...........

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Posted by Mark Metzelaar on Sep 21 2007 2:04PM - Who's stigmatising here?
* Fact remains that one of that nuke flight pilots is death, or isn't he?
* *Some* of other deaths had were directly involved, or not?

One severely wounded out of the 6, or so? Ahh, actually only 5; that basically makes a lot of difference for the story.
=> No it doesn't almost at all.

Better get to work and get permission from your publisher and editor to do so: investigating journalism.

Investigate the deaths and give pro's and con's for this theory; not only trying to stigmatise this story as freaky conspiracy theorists. Up till now, most of them seemed to have done better journalistic work than you did. But what they hoped for, is that you continued on their basic works to find and search out, as you are supposed to be the paid, educated and employed professional.

Also still no answer where the 6th nuke was, when initially (according to the first news) 5 were discovered. How was this error in reporting made? Or were there only 5 nukes discovered initially and the 6th was moed to another location already? Or is it still stolen?

Important questions, for what we need professional journalists to research & report, not to stigmatise the whole subject with focussing on minor errors. That's called projection in psychology.

Please & thanks.


Link where most articles in these are gathered:

Minot AFB: deaths around illegal nuke flight
http://pim-fortuyn.nl/pfforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=53501

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Posted by Anonymous on Sep 23 2007 5:46PM - Let me help you out here:

AUGUST 30, 2007
John Frueh
Capt.
Operations Weather
Air Force Special Operations Command
Flew from Florida to Washington for a wedding drove a rental car into the wilderness south of Mt. Saint Helens and expired.

SEPTEMBER 10, 2007
Todd Blue
Airman 1st Class
5th Security Forces Squadron
Minot AFB
Rumor says he committed suicide while on leave at home in Virginia

SEPTEMBER 15, 2007
Clint Huff
Senior Airman
26th Operational Weather Squadron
Barksdale AFB
motorcycle accident

1. All three deaths have occurred within 2 weeks of the incident and AFTER.

2. Todd Blue and Clint Huff are both members of the airforce bases involved with the B-52 incident.

3. John Frueh and Clint Huff are both part of an "Operational Weather" group.

4. Just because the other deaths happened before the known incident doesn't mean people knew about it in advance or that there were other incidents prior that weren't leaked to the press. That's just logical. Your #2 assertion is false.

Much information has not been made public. The deaths of John Frueh and Todd blue have yet to be explained, but rumor has it that the death of Todd Blue was a shotgun suicide.

Other connections are beyond the information available. For example, did any of these three people know each other? or make contact with any of the others at any time? These kind of facts would narrow the possibilities of coincidence.

Stop editorializing and get some facts, man!
Find out how John Frueh died. Who contacted him before his death? Who did he call before he died? How did Todd Blue die? Now get to work and do what few reporters do: Ask questions and get some information for yourself instead of reporting what AP tells you. What do you kids learn in Journalism school???

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Posted by Burt B. on Sep 24 2007 9:20AM - You said "Still, it’s amazing what people will believe when they see stuff like this on the internet"

Does that mean people should not believe everything they see on the internet (as I'm doing now with your article)?

Doesn't it also amaze you that most people DO believe everything they see on TV News and in print newspapers?

I long for objective, substantive journalism.

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Posted by Mark Metzelaar on Sep 24 2007 9:32AM - Different claims about deaths and connections have been made by different people. Sometimes connections were made, without giving the source of that logical(?) conclusion. Maybe someone knew more, maybe not. In the articles I've gathered till now:

Minot AFB: deaths around illegal nuke flight
http://pim-fortuyn.nl/pfforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=53501

=> I find some possible clues:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=1299#comment-10885

tito Says:
September 15th, 2007 at 1:41 am
http://www.minot.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123067840
says
Airman 1st Class Todd Blue, 20, was a response force member assigned to the 5th Security Forces Squadron.

googling “5th security forces” air force “response force”

brings up a link to this guys resume
http://smarthunt.com/resume.cfm?portfolioid=34653

Reading this other guy’s resume, he references his experience serving in Minot ND as including

· Protected nuclear and conventional weapons storage areas along with B-52 and all other transient aircraft assigned to restricted areas.
· Maintained security for Department of Energy overland shipments of Protection Level I (PL I) weapons and critical components.
· Provided security for alert, non-alert, transient aircraft and a PL I Weapons Storage Area (WSA).
· Regularly inspected base and WSA facilities to ensure compliance with security standards.
· Responded to alarms inside and outside of the WSA and took necessary actions to neutralize threats directed at resources and personnel.
· Controlled entry and maintained security for close-in security areas. Responsible for entry control of vehicles, equipment and personnel to PL I WSA.
culvert/concealment checks of PL I WSA to deter and detect threats.

I know this is not the resume of the deceased, but it is reasonable to assume that these duties would be within the same scope (or at least neighborhood) as they served in a similarly titled unit on the Minot base.

So….

Kevin Says:
September 15th, 2007 at 4:45 am
Guys, when I wrote, “Airman 1st Class Todd Blue was assigned to the unit that provides security for that bomber wing at Minot Air Force base,” I based that statement on:

minot.af.mil — Units — 5th Bomb Wing Units. On http://minot.af.mil/units/5bwunits.asp, you see:

The 5th Mission Support Group… consist of the 5th Civil Engineer Squadron, 5th Communications Squadron, 5th Force Support Squadron and 5th Security Forces Squadron, 5th Contracting Squadron and 5th Logistics Readiness Squadron.

Tito’s find backs up the obvious assumption that a security unit that is assigned to a B-52 bomber wing is going to be responsible for nuclear weapons.

http://www.legitgov.org/minot_afb_nukes_oddities.html

...The base said Blue was a response force member assigned to the 5th Security Forces Squadron. [The primary mission of the 5th Security Forces Squadron is to 'provide 24-hour law enforcement and security services for the 5th Bomb Wing and all tenant units assigned to Minot AFB.' "Guardians of the Upper Realm" The host wing on Minot Air Force Base, the 5th Bomb Wing operates the B-52H Stratofortress aircraft to provide global strike and combat-support capabilities to geographic commanders. B-52 Stratofortress - Mission Air Combat Command's B-52 is a long-range, heavy bomber that can perform a variety of missions... It can carry nuclear or precision guided conventional ordnance with worldwide precision navigation capability.]...

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This is not a full report, but just some things I quickly found. Maybe there are more clues in the articles I've gathered + other articles I haven't gathered yet. If you're interested; please read & research them for more clues.

The issue (6 nukes "mistakenly" and "unnotified", illegally armed on B52) is important enough to pay full attention to, in order to exclude all other possibilities. Or maybe find that something else was going on and covered-up (and then the cover might even be a cover itsef for the real thing; most scandals never go to the bottom and have scape-goats).

So let's get over the stage of partly amateuristic reporting while others with editorial capacities focused on downplaying it.

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Posted by Not saying on Sep 27 2007 5:18PM - I live on the base, and that claim is bull, that article aggravates me to no end. I am a spouse of an airmen working in the 5MXS, and all I can say is I love how this whole thing has been blown out of proportion, it was a mistake simple as that, no one was hurt, and the people were punished. Hell the entire 5MXS is being punished....no leave allowed, and working non stop, but they are not being murdered. Why would they bother with such low level people? Especially when 1/2 the base knows what happened, we just can�t talk about it. (All I have stated is general knowledge so I am not going against any policies)

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Posted by Mark Metzelaar on Sep 28 2007 9:01AM - A simple mistake for sure not! Something was awefully wrong there, one way or the other. One can not just load nukes on a bomber first time since 1967 at a moment war-plans for Iran were at maximum, including nuclear bunker busters, with a possible 911-2B false flag neccessary to start nuclear war and say it was just a human mistake! The nukes were red and severly locked; were all that people color-blind and blind signing the neccessary papers?

Concerning the deaths, professional 'conspiracy theorists' like Alex Jones and Wayne Madson, had a quick ook into the issue and didn't see enough clues yet for producing an article about them. Alex Jones said on radio he checked it out, and discovered much of the story was bogus.

*Maybe* it was even meant as distraction-hoax from the real issue, by ridiculising it. As one knows; Barksdale now has the official USA Central Cyber Command...

Here is an article about military sources stating that the nukes were meant for Iran and USA military refused:

Minot AFB: deaths around illegal nuke flight
http://pim-fortuyn.nl/pfforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=53501&whichpage=2

See the 4th reaction:

B-52 Nukes Were Headed for Iran:
Air Force refused to fly weapons to Middle East theater

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Posted by Ron Corvus on Oct 20 2007 2:19PM - Dear Lori/CLG:

fine.......that's the easy way out, instead of responding to what the guy said and proved about your bull**** article........

I live ten minutes from Barksdale AFB, and I even saw the motorcycle accident story on local TV - the one you referred to as "mysterious," and the wreck was NOT mysterious.......anything but.......point is, you can run Lori, but you can't hide......if you don't respond to the man's accusations I'm going to start referring to you as a fraud....you should at least retract your "multiple mysterious deaths claim." Clearly, you made this crap up out of thin air. You liar you.

Do you want me to advertise that you're a fraud, and post both articles on a webpage for all to see that you don't mind lying and making **** up, for your own jollies and purposes?

You have screwed with good folks' lives who are now dead. Good folks who live right where I live.

You took a big, giant crap right on me when you did that,...now you're going to be exposed - or expose yourself first, you should at least print a retraction, or make a claim of "mistake." But I'm not going to let you get away with lying on good Shreveporters' names - dead Shreveporters at that!

You watch and see what I publish.............
- Original Message -
From: Ron Corvus
To: Lori Price
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 6:26 AM
Subject: I'm about an inch from thinking you're a nutcase...and if I conclude that you're nutcase, that's not good....it won't matter to me.......I'm already fed the **** up with you and your smarmy smug ass.......let me tell you something, you are VERY, VERY, VERY hard to talk to or communicate with......every time I've ever spoken with you, you act like a *****.....I've been tolerating the hell out of you for a long time....now, since I realize you are an undying, unswerving support of Hillary and the Democratic Party, and now this article here.........it's not good for you and CLG.........I'm really pissed at you and think you, at a minimum, need a real vacation or something.....

...whatever, that's your business, but you are posting a little bull**** and refraining from reporting real stories, like the L.A. Times' piece on Hillary's Chinese election fraud.......THIS STORY IS SOLID AS A ROCK! it's below, along with The Nation story on Hillary..... http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20071019/cm_thenation/15244566


You've done a lot of good over the years, but I think you're cracking up....I know how it is, when you work real hard for a long time...all day, every day...trying to keep up with the grind...the onslaught of news, information...it's hard to sort it all out, much less report it in some kind of cohesive fashion.........you deserve praise from all your hard work - BUT, again...I just think you need a rest.......I see you don't want to report on Hillary......I think it's because you are going to vote for Hillary - therefore, you're not willing to report negatively on Hillary - even though it's true! If, or whenever you watch the "Hillary Exposed" video, if THAT doesn't change your mind about Hillary, then I know you are lost, in your "lesser of two evils" rationalization..........your "lesser of two evils" argument SHOULD EVAPORATE after watching this video:, but if it doesn't, that's your right to believe and act as you please....just don't expect me to support your political position any longer...in fact, I'm putting you on notice right now.................sincerely, r o n

Air Force Personnel Involved With Nuke Mishap In Minot Being Murdered?

That’s what some group called Citizens for Legitimate Government is claiming:

Since the Minot story broke a week ago about the missing nukeclandestine operation from Minot, we have the following (for those who are paying attention):

1. All six people listed below are from Minot Airforce base
2. All were directly involved as loaders or as pilots
3. All are now dead
4. All within the last 7 days in ‘accidents’

A reader who knows I’m actually from Minot emailed me this and, since this is right in my backyard, it made me sit up and take notice. As evidence of the conspiracy, the Citizens for Legit Government cite six news stories. The problem is that those stories don’t support their conclusions at all



Keep in mind, as I go along, that the mishap happened some time the week before September 5th



First up is this news story about Airman Todd Blue who died on September 10th while on leave in Virginia. The story doesn’t indicate how Blue died, or even if he was actually involved in the nuke mishap. It does say he was a “response force member” in the 5th Security Forces Squadron



Second is this article from The Shreveport Times about an unnamed couple from the Barksdale Airforce Base dying in a traffic accident while riding their Harley. Their connection, I guess, is that the plane with the nukes on it went from Minot to Louisiana. There is no indication here, however, what the couple does on the Barksdale base. How the folks at Citizes for Legit. Government can use this as proof is beyond me



The third story is from the KXMC website (my hometown television station and a website where I’m syndicated, just throwing that out there for full disclosure) and is about Airman Blue again. No mention of whether or not Blue had anything to do with the nuke mishap



The fourth story is again from KXMC and is about an Airman named Adam Barrs who was killed in a vehicle accident on the outskirts of Minot. The problem is that this Airman was killed in July, months before the Nuke mishap which occurred around the end of August or beginning of September. Unless we’re going to also claim that the Air Force has the ability to see the future, I doubt Barrs was bumped off because of his involvement in the blunder with the nukes



The fifth story is from the Bismarck Tribune and is about 1st Lt. Weston Kissel who was a bomber pilot at Minot Air Force Base. Again, however, the problem is that Lt. Kissel died in July. The nuke mishap took place in August or September



The last story is about a Captain John Frueh who was stationed in Florida and was actually on leave in the Oregon/Washington area attending a friend’s wedding (he last spoke to his family on August 30th) when the nuke mishap in North Dakota. The dates are close, but Frueh could have conceivably been on some top-secret mission he couldn’t tell his family about, but that seems doubtful. As one who knows many people from the Minot Air Force Base who have worked with the nukes, it’s secret stuff...but not that secret



This is what we have to sum up:

Two Air Force members who died shortly after the nuke mishap, one from Minot and one from Louisiana. One died in Louisiana, one died on leave in Virginia.
Two Air Force members who died before the accident, thus making it unlikely that they were killed in any sort of a cover-up conspir

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