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E85I drive a flex fuel vehicle.  It is my primary mode of transportation.  I've bought many a gallon of E-85.  Traveling around North Dakota, it's a pain in the backside to find E-85.  There's a Cenex in downtown Minot.  There's a car wash place on 13th Avenue South in Fargo.  There are two stations that I know of in Bismarck; the C Store by Central Market and the Stamart just north of the Capitol building.  In my glove compartment in my car I've got a list of other E-85 selling stations around the state.  On the card, none of the E-85 stations are west of Bismarck or Minot.  Since that card was printed, stores in Richardton and New Town started selling E-85.

There's a scathing assault on the ethanol industry in the latest issue of the Rolling Stone.  Here's a cut.

The great danger of confronting peak oil and global warming isn't that we will sit on our collective asses and do nothing while civilization collapses, but that we will plunge after "solutions" that will make our problems even worse. Like believing we can replace gasoline with ethanol, the much-hyped biofuel that we make from corn.

Ethanol, of course, is nothing new. American refiners will produce nearly 6 billion gallons of corn ethanol this year, mostly for use as a gasoline additive to make engines burn cleaner. But in June, the Senate all but announced that America's future is going to be powered by biofuels, mandating the production of 36 billion gallons of ethanol by 2022. According to ethanol boosters, this is the beginning of a much larger revolution that could entirely replace our 21-million-barrel-a-day oil addiction. Midwest farmers will get rich, the air will be cleaner, the planet will be cooler, and, best of all, we can tell those greedy sheiks to fuck off. As the king of ethanol hype, Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, put it recently, "Everything about ethanol is good, good, good."

Rolling Stone (Title:  "Ethanol Scam: Ethanol Hurts the Environment And Is One of America's Biggest Political Boondoggles") [Editor:  Pardon his French.]

The article goes on several paragraphs later to suggest that the ethanol "boondoggle is largely a tribute to the political muscle of" Archer Daniels Midland.

Rolling Stone is usually pretty good about printing fairly accurate stories.  I'd read other articles critical of the ethanol push, but never anything that grabbed me by the throat like this Rolling Stone article does.  I don't claim to be an expert on the advantages and disadvantages of ethanol, but it seems to me like there must be an "other side of the story" to this.  I think I know what some of them are, but I'd like to see someone from North Dakota who knows what they're talking about write a response letter to the editors of the Rolling Stone.  If there are flaws in the Stone article, I'd like to know them.  If there are truths, I'd like to know that too.  I'd like to see a meaningful debate on the issue.  People obviously feel pretty strongly about it.  But I'd like to have the other side and not necessarily an ADM P.R. person's perspective presented when I read the letters to the editor in the next issue of the Rolling Stone.

What's the other side of the story? 

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Posted by Aaron Gordon on Jul 31 2007 1:20PM - Look, I can't fault the Rolling Stone writer for making the connection between humanity and the penchant for corrupt folly. And the manner in which we are currently pursuing ethanol is indeed faulty and rigged to make certain well-connected people richer. But ethanol can and should be a part of the energy future of the United States. It doesn't have to be grown from corn, and is much more efficient if its grown from switchgrass and other sources. Removing the 'help the corn industry' nonsense will certainly help matters ('cause really...why mess with a staple grain?) What needs to happen in concurrence with switchgrass ethanol production is an entire rethink and overhaul of our transportation grid. We spend billions a year to prop up our highway system, and its now revealing diminishing returns (and insane traffic.) Our dependence on oil is a result of a lack of choice: to be a first-class citizen of this country, one needs to drive. Should we revert back to a streetcar-to-subway-to-rail manner of transport, we'd eliminate a lot of our need for oil AND ethanol.

That's not mere conjecture: it's fact: mass transit trumps personal transit in terms of energy usage. And unless we address the latter, along with the former, 'energy independence' is just a phrase with no meaning.

Now, I'm not in the Dakotas (Washington DC,) so I'm clearly talking from a more urban perspective...but I'm certain one can look to a dead 'Main Street' to discover a manner of living that we abandoned for the ease and distance of the car. And one can look at Europe to see how a complete system, of function trains, subways, light-rail and streetcars have made it a very live-able, and certainly more sustainable place to live.

The buzz word right now is 'oil' and 'global warming.' As a former Miami boy, I can tell you that it has gotten much hotter and the storms are much more frequent and intense. And, of course, gas prices just rise and rise. If we are to maake a change, if we are to embrace the potential of ethanol...we also need to embrace our destiny as a great, progressive, forward-thinking and acting country...and overhaul the thing that mires us in the present situation: our dependence on cars and our turning back on civic interconnectedness.


Posted by Bob from ALAMN on Jul 31 2007 3:06PM - I'm Bob Moffitt, the communications director for the Clean Fuels & Vehicle Technologies program of the American Lung Association of the Upper Midwest. We support E85 because it burns cleaner than gasoline. We know because we have tested it in a North Dakota lab! A single FFV vehicle using E85 instead of gasoline keeps 4 tons of greenhouse gases out of the air every year. Want to know more? Including a list of all ND E85 stations? www.CleanAirChoice.org

PS: We support biodiesel, too. My brother-in-law buys his in Valley City.

Posted by clint on Jul 31 2007 7:05PM - E-85 is a farce. A gallon of E-85 has far less thermodynamic output than a gallon of gasoline, has to be subsidized to be competitive, and is throwing a financial wrench into any number of industries.

Ask a food company that relies on corn syrup as an ingredient for their product; nearly everything we eat has corn in it somewhere, so all our food is going to be more expensive. Ask the rancher who can't afford to feed his livestock because corn is going elsewhere.

Ask the folks who drive E-85 vehicles and, while experiencing a huge drop in power, experience little or no savings at the bottom line because of the loss in mileage. That's if you ignore the fact that their taxes are subsidizing ethanol blended fuel to the tune of fifty cents a gallon!

Ethanol fuels are inferior and wouldn't last a week if it wasn't for the fact that people are lining up to collect the government subsidy. Let it compete on its own merits and see where it ends up.

Posted by Jeff on Aug 1 2007 12:07AM - I’m sitting here in Iraq (Tall Afar) wondering what the heck is wrong with ethanol. Why is the American public being fed so much negative opinion on the first step in getting off big oil. I have a feeling I wouldn’t be here now if not for U.S. oil dependency. Our future energy will come of many sources and ethanol is just one of them and is a logical evolutionary step in moving away from our current dependency. By the way, we have the best farmers in the world, they can grow anything. Give ethanol a chance. Or stay hooked on big oil.........up to you......

Posted by Mike Bendzela on Aug 1 2007 8:35AM - The "other side of the story" is that flex-fuel-driving people like you are deluded to think we can continue to grow energy consumption.

Posted by matt on Aug 1 2007 8:50AM - **Give ethanol a chance. Or stay hooked on big oil.........up to you...**

Or how about choice C, D, or E?

I agree with first poster, we have to start thinking beyond the automobile. Trying to keep them running at all costs will be our downfall.

Posted by Terry on Aug 1 2007 8:59AM - Jeff, I feel for you, buddy. I don't wish Iraq on anyone, and I argued against the war before we ever went over there. But I will tell you that even as ethanol has scaled up rapidly over the past few years, our demand for gasoline has scaled up even more rapidly. If you look at the demand growth over the past 5 years, there isn't even an inflection point caused by our ethanol production - growth has been steady. So, regardless of the spin, ethanol is clearly doing nothing to solve our oil addiction. We have a demand-side problem here in the U.S. Ethanol can't solve that. Besides, the article is correct. Ethanol is mostly recycled fossil fuels, albeit mostly natural gas.

Posted by Steve on Aug 1 2007 9:15AM - Rising food pricesThe cost of food at your local grocery store is affected more by the price of fuel than the price of the feedstock that goes into the food. Logic would then tell you that ethanol is actually responsible for keeping the price of food in check since it provides for an additional 5% of the available fuel supply.Taxpayers are not losing money with the so called subsidies. The 50 cents per gallon that goes to the blenders (not the ethanol producers) should be passed to the consumer. In South Dakota the midgrade higher octane which contains ethanol now sells for about 10 cents less than a lower octane without ethanol. Five cents of that is the 50 cent blenders credit (10% blend times 50 cents). The other five cents comes from the fact that ethanol is less expensive than gasoline right now. I don't have the numbers, but the oil industry is heavily subsidized in this country. The boost that the ethanol industry has provided for the corn producers has also significantly reduced farm subsidies that were paid to the farmers in the past. The final thing that negates any cost to the taxpayers is the economic boon ethanol has provided in rural America. The state of South Dakota has seen an impact of over a billion dollars a year because of the ethanol industry and we have about a dozen plants. This was the study done before the increase in corn prices which has significantly increased the profits of the rural farmers. Corn ethanol is a major stepping stone to cellulosic ethanol. It will be 5-7 years before we see significant volumes of cellulosic ethanol but it will come and it will make a difference in fuel supply. As to JeffI salute you for what you and your comrads are doing for us. Maybe some day with the help of alternative fuels like ethanol, we won't be in this situation.

Posted by Scott Benson on Aug 1 2007 11:07AM - I work for a Fleet management organization. When they put me on the "alternative fuels project" 15 years ago, I was really excited about the idea of American-grown corn replacing nasty oil as our main transportation fuel. But in the last year, and with the Wall Streeters running the numbers, it is now clear corn can never replace the oil the U.S. uses in any meaningful way (3-10% at best). The U.S. uses 140 billion gallons of gasoline a year (and that is growing). Even with 20% of the corn crop going to ethanol production in 2007, they will produce only 6 billion gallons of ethanol. Corn ethanol is not the answer, and it never will be there is not enough arable land in the U.S. Using sugarcane can produce maybe twice the ethanol of corn, but with some major drawbacks (including the fact you'd have to import almost all the sugar.) They haven't found a way yet to make a dime off of cellulosic ethanol (from wood or plants/switchgrass) they don't have a needed enzyme developed. So, ethanol, while being pro-farmer, pro-America, pro-environment, etc. is not the answer, and we risk large increases in food prices (half of the corn goes to feed the animals we eat) in pursuing it. The only reasonable answer seems to be living either with higher oil prices, or developing plug-in hybrid vehicles, expensive though they will be, cause of the batteries needed and the "tax" they will be on the electric grid.

Posted by Andrew on Aug 1 2007 11:23AM - Ethanol would not be produced anywhere close to the levels it is today without the generous subsidies. Steve's logic that somehow the 50 cent blenders credit doesn't cost the taxpayer is full of holes and very self serving. Ethanol from corn is a boon doggle. Cellulosic ethanol is futher away than anyone inside the industry will admit to. Ethanol will not save us. In the meantime food prices will increase and disporportionally impact the poor as the spend a larger portion of thier income on food.

http://i-r-squared.blogspot.com/

Check out this blog by Robert Rapier who was quoted by Rolling Stone in thier article. Robert is one of the most knowledgeable people out there on our energy future.

Posted by Michael Brown on Aug 1 2007 12:19PM - The argument that not support E85 / Ethanol is analogous to not wanting to be energy dependent is fallacious - plain and simple.

Implementing bad solutions can only result in bad outcomes. The energy inputs required to produce ethanol barely outweigh the energy output. (And that's besides the point that you end up raping the top soil - many liken ethanol from corn to 'subsidized food burning')

Consider the idea that 169 sq. ft. of solar panels will produce the same amount of energy as an acre of ethanol produced from corn! (An acre is 43,560 square feet) Maybe it's time to start thinking about electrified transportation solutions!

If you find yourself supporting ethanol for broad-based energy usage, you are either uninformed or engaging in intellectual dishonesty.

Do the research yourself... and I advise reviewing the literature prepared by PhDs and researchers, not bureaucrats, blowhards, and big businesses.

Posted by Terry on Aug 2 2007 1:17AM - In response to the "cleaner burning" argument by Bob Moffitt, I would also point out that ethanol raises the vapor pressue and therefore raises the potential for smog. From yesterday's Houston Chronicle, in an interview with energy expert Cal Hodges:

Q: We're already using more ethanol in our fuel now, because of the outcry over the fuel component methyl tertiary butyl ether or MTBE and its propensity to foul groundwater. You had warned that replacing MTBE with ethanol could hamper efforts in cities like Houston to improve air quality because of these problems with volatile organic compounds and nitrogen oxides. So has that actually happened?

A: Yes, it has happened. Los Angeles is the cleanest example. They began switching from MTBE to ethanol in 2001. But when they made their major switch in 2003, there was a significant decrease in air quality. They basically stopped making progress toward attainment on EPA's ozone standards when they switched to ethanol. When using MTBE, with the cars getting cleaner each year, coupled with a very clean fuel, Los Angeles was on a straight-line path toward attaining EPA's air standards by about 2002 or 2003. Now that they have switched to ethanol, the trend line indicates nonattainment for many years to come.



Posted by Bob from ALAMN on Aug 6 2007 8:46AM - The ethanol fuel I am speaking of is E85, an alternative fuel that consists of up to 85 percent ethanol. Hodges is speaking of additives used to "oxygenize" gasoline. Apples and oranges. Search the Loren Steffy columns in the Houston Chronicle's website for my comments on E85. I am also featured in one of his podcasts.

Bottom line: E85 is cleaner burning than gasoline. It also has 20 percent fewer ozone (hence smog) producing emissions, compared to gasoline.

Bob Moffitt, ALA of Upper Midwest

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